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Sonya Choi La Rosa: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Style and Strategy Podcast. Today, I have the opportunity to speak with Vanessa Bennett, CEO of Next Evolution Performance. A global high performance coaching business. So get ready for an insightful conversation on optimizing leadership for sustainable success.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: With of course, a touch of brand and style. I'm Sonya, a personal brand and style coach. My journey began in the corporate world and through lived experiences has led me where I am today. I've walked in those uncomfortable shoes, faced the same challenges, and questioned my path to professional success while simultaneously navigating my personal style journey and the challenges that each decade brings.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: I wholeheartedly believe in the fusion of personal brand and style strategy. My mission here is to provide you with practical, actionable strategies And lived experiences to help you unlock your next [00:01:00] level of success through the power of personal brand and style. Let's get started. Vanessa, welcome to this style and strategy podcast.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Thank you so much, Sonya. Great to be here. Yeah, fantastic. So you've got a really interesting background and you know, obviously you've worked in financial services and financial advice in that space, but now you're a performance coach. Why don't you take me through a little bit how you went from sort of in that financial services space into becoming a performance coach?
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Yeah,
Vanessa Bennett: it's always a great question. And I think very bravely was the answer to that question. But I think people think it's very different. People think it's like, Oh my gosh, that's going from like one thing to something that's completely different. And actually it's not like I was running a sales team and you're running for high performance, right?
Vanessa Bennett: Like you've got to hit your targets. You've got to have the right mindset. You've got to be organized. You've got one number in 12 [00:02:00] months and sort that out. And then I was running a whole team with that. And you know, you really want your team in high performance mode. And that also included during the global financial crisis.
Vanessa Bennett: So if you're running a sales team during the global financial crisis in financial services, like you're basically a high performance coach now. So I think. What I found was that was the bit that I actually wanted to do. And I've, I've always been quite data driven and always quite science y. So the more science that started to come out in this space, the more I was kind of trying to put that into practice.
Vanessa Bennett: And then, you know, it just keeps coming. Basically the science just keeps coming now, which is awesome. So yeah, so that's kind of how I'm doing what I do now.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: And when you sort of saw that alignment and then you made that decision to, you know what, I'm going to go do this. Do you think in some way the brand and the reputation that you had built up, you know, previously had shifted or changed when you then moved [00:03:00] into the high performance market and being your own boss?
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Yeah,
Vanessa Bennett: that's a good question. I think in some ways it did, but in a lot of ways, I was actually able to capitalize on the brand that I'd built already. Because when you first start out in your own business, obviously, you know, the biggest thing you need to do is obviously get clients. And I was, you know, Absolutely blown away by how helpful people were with me, either taking me on in the companies that they were working for or referring me to other people.
Vanessa Bennett: So I think the brand that I built up already was very much one to capitalize on. I think when I started to, you know, Move into my own business. I was able to move just a bit quicker on things as well. And I probably got a lot more streamlined on things too, you know, where I think probably when I was running a sales team and I think about even just like, you know, the clothes that I'd wear and things like that, like I could spend a lot more sort of effort and energy worrying about that kind of stuff, whereas in your own business, it's like, there is no time for that.
Vanessa Bennett: So I'm very, [00:04:00] probably sort of like a wash and go kind of vibe now.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Love that. And so, do you think that If you had to think about three words maybe that defined how you now empower individuals to kind of show up and I guess step up in their professional journey, what would you say that looks like?
Vanessa Bennett: Yeah, I think, you know, obviously I'm focusing on high performance, so I'm focusing on people who are already doing well and just want to keep excelling.
Vanessa Bennett: So I think that's a really important thing to focus on. So I think, you know, just showing up generally, and I think even after hybrid, even that's taken on a whole. New meaning these days, right? It's like people are a bit sort of like, Oh no, I don't want to go into the office and that kind of thing. And, and I just think it doesn't matter where you are, but you need to make sure that your presence is felt and you need to literally do that show up.
Vanessa Bennett: So it shouldn't be something that we're shying away from high performance should really be there showing up and meaning [00:05:00] business.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: So when you think about, we hear a lot about, look, you've got to tap into your full potential. You've got to lead in a way that is authentic, you know, whether it's for your teams and for yourself to actually show up as your best self.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: What do you think are some of those secret ingredients to actually get someone to reach their full potential?
Vanessa Bennett: Yeah. Mindset's got a big part of that. I think when I'm talking with leaders, I think the biggest thing that I find in a lot of cases is people spend a lot Of energy, especially, and everything that we do is all about cognitive energy.
Vanessa Bennett: You know, and people spend a lot of energy on, well, should I say that? Should I be that? And I even have kind of conversation with a client this morning and it was almost like, you know, when you're really direct, it's almost like in a corporate environment, they kind of want to beat that out of you. And you know what?
Vanessa Bennett: The world needs more directness. Like, you know, [00:06:00] we need to stop shying away from that kind of thing. Now, obviously we need to create an environment and a culture You know, for high performance where we're not saying everyone's going to be really rude to each other, but it's like, people need to be able to cope with people being direct with them and they shouldn't be shying away from being direct to other people.
Vanessa Bennett: If that's just going to get the job done and not take things personally and things like that. So I think there's a lot of people who having trouble being their authentic selves. As leaders, because you know, the classic corporate kind of environment have said, are you too much this? And you're too much that, and you're not enough this, and you're not enough that.
Vanessa Bennett: And it's like these days, we've got a whole stack of research saying these are the outcomes that you should get as a leader. And that's your roadmap. And if you can get your team saying these eight things, then how you get there, that's up to you. And so we. Present the research to people, but then we also help them to tap into what is their most authentic way to get those results.
Vanessa Bennett: And I use this [00:07:00] example all the time, either when I'm coaching people or in workshops, you know, I used to always get told in corporate, you're too direct, you're too direct. And it's like, well, I can't be less direct. That would be exhausting for the next 60 years of my career. The question is, how do I reduce the carnage around my directness?
Vanessa Bennett: So, you know, if I can show up in a way that's letting people know that I would never want to make anyone feel bad or insecure or anything like that, like that is absolutely not my intention. I will be mortified if that was a result, but I do need to preempt some things sometimes so that I can get people to be okay with my directness and not take it personally, not try to read between the lines.
Vanessa Bennett: All of that kind of thing. So yeah, I think that authentic leadership that you've touched on, the corporates kind of inadvertently try to beat you out of it. If they don't have great research and great neuroscience on how we can let people be their best selves and leadership 2005, like it's changed people.
Vanessa Bennett: We need neuroscience and we [00:08:00] need to understand more of that. And, you know, we need to up our leadership game.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: So do you think when you're talking with corporates potentially who are putting, maybe supporting leaders to go through some of your programs that you've got, that they are more so in tune with what is required and hence, therefore looking for you for that guidance?
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Definitely. So, um.
Vanessa Bennett: The research has, so I've got a master's in neuroscience and the research basically supports that you are far more effective in introducing a lot of these different programs and frameworks and mindset interventions and all of these kinds of things. You're far more effective when people understand the science and the research first.
Vanessa Bennett: So if we can help people understand that in say, you know, and that can be delivered at a workshop environment or something like that first, but if we can help people understand the science. It almost becomes like, well, there's the science. Now, what do you want to do about that? Yeah. And [00:09:00] that becomes very effective.
Vanessa Bennett: So generally we're looking at working with businesses where it's, you know, they've got an appetite for that science. They just want to do things smarter. So there's a really big appetite at the moment. And interestingly enough, especially up in Asia, I've just come back from Asia and there was some great conversations I was having up there.
Vanessa Bennett: They're wanting to really lift performance, but in a smart way. You know, there's an appetite for, like, we want to try to lift performance and productivity and profitability, but in a way that's, you know, not killing people in the process. So there's definitely a lot more appetite for the science behind that, because we can do that.
Vanessa Bennett: Now, the more you understand about neuroscience, the more that you can understand how to use that to lift productivity and profitability, but also make things feel easier for people in the process. And that's the Nirvana. It shouldn't be this whole performance versus wellness thing. Performance is 100 percent always the goal.
Vanessa Bennett: Like, you know, when the CEO of Salesforce came out and said, actually, we [00:10:00] need to focus on this performance thing instead of this wellness thing. That's like, he actually did kind of have a point. All right. He was like, come on people, you know, we can't be pleading pandemic forever. Like. You know, we have to get together and we have to, it's no more business as usual.
Vanessa Bennett: We have to focus on growth. We have to focus on new strategic initiatives. We have to focus more on creativity and better leadership. So, but the upshot of that is if you do it in a scientific way, you actually get both. You get happier, healthier people who are performing better and that's what we should be aiming for across the board.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Because you're really then focusing on the whole individual rather than just one or the other. And it's really interesting because one of the things that I'm really fascinated through when it comes to style particularly is the psychology of style. on an individual and how that can then either push them to become more confident in themselves to therefore put them in unusual situations or things like that, because there's a level of confidence that comes [00:11:00] out through that.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: And there have been some studies that I've read where, you know, they've triggered. The difference between someone who turns up for work wearing, you know, it might be their leggings or whatever it is, and versus, you know, especially during COVID, et cetera, versus actually going through that whole exercise of having a shower, getting changed and getting dressed for work and then showing up from, even from a performance perspective, we might not be talking high performance there, but we're talking about just to get you you know, and have a shift in, in kind of mindset through that process as well.
Vanessa Bennett: It's so true that, yeah, I was looking at some research around that kind of thing and, you know, people being on zoom for so long and all of that kind of stuff. And yeah, there was definitely some research coming out about how we present ourselves in meetings is definitely a factor and influence. Like if we're just kind of like, that's all that sort of, a lot of people, you know, would have their cameras off and it's like, oh, but I haven't gotten dressed yet.
Vanessa Bennett: And it's [00:12:00] like, well, like, you know, seriously. Show up. I've never met anyone who was fully engaged in a meeting with their camera off.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Yeah.
Vanessa Bennett: And I think, you know, if you've gotten dressed and gotten up and gone through that process. And I used to encourage people even to, to sort of like walk to work in inverted commas, like get up, go out for like 15 minutes and then come back and be in a kind of a, a bit of a different mindset.
Vanessa Bennett: And there was also some research and I didn't look at it too closely, but I do remember seeing something around. How your brain is actually getting confused if you're like, you know, the whole newsreader kind of thing, which we all did, which was, you know, the, the very professional top and the jacket and all that kind of stuff.
Vanessa Bennett: But you're in your tracky ducks and you're on boots, you know, down below. And there was even something showing that like, even your brain's getting a bit confused by that, like kind of pick one persona and roll with it. So yeah, I think it's got a big impact on your mindset.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: And you talked about that when you were sort of in the financial services space, that.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: You know, you might have feedback talking about directness and things [00:13:00] like that. How do you think your style potentially has, was back then knowing that you were in that space versus maybe where you are today?
Vanessa Bennett: Yeah, I think I'm probably more streamlined. So still very direct back then, but I, I used to like to play with fashion probably a little bit more than what I do now.
Vanessa Bennett: Now I'm just very streamlined. And I think it probably comes down to, I travel a lot for work. So I'm literally like everything in my wardrobe has to match so that when I'm, you know, it's dark and I'm trying to pack for a trip or something like that. It's like, I know that if I pull a jacket from there and a pair of pants from there and a dress from there, I've basically got like, you know, three days worth of, So, for me now, it's more streamlined.
Vanessa Bennett: I know probably my direct personality is probably more attuned to that, actually. I wear similar colours all the time, similar styles all the time. You know, I'm obviously not like into frills or anything like that. It's just like, nope, nice. Plain, straight kind of [00:14:00] dresses, similar nicely structured jackets, that kind of thing.
Vanessa Bennett: And so yeah, my personality is probably getting even more direct now because I'm allowed to be a little more. In fact, I love the way that people actually pay me for that these days. It's like, they don't. want me to mess around. They actually, they're paying for results. And so the faster I get there, the better.
Vanessa Bennett: So I feel like I've really found my sweet spot. And so I think my clothing probably recommend probably represents that as well. I'm probably quite direct and deliberate in, you know, no mess, no fuss. One of my good friends, she calls me no messness. And I'm like, yeah, that probably kind of sums things up.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: I like that.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: And when you're thinking about some really strong high performance. leaders that have come to be coached by you and for you to be able to take them to that next level. How much of where they are today was really related back to their personal brand versus how much in order to get them to that [00:15:00] really next level is something else?
Vanessa Bennett: Yeah, it's an interesting question cause it's almost like a bit of a chicken and an egg question as well. So sometimes the way that people are, it kind of influences Their personal brand. And then that sort of then becomes like this sort of self fulfilling prophecy, I guess. Yeah. And so some people kind of like, I think I need a rebrand.
Vanessa Bennett: It's like, maybe, okay, well, let's see how we go. But I mean, like, you know, I, I coach probably more males than I do females, just because that's the nature of, there's just more of them out there in these kinds of roles, unfortunately, but that's kind of how it is. But even still, you know, it's almost like they still want to play with their personal brand in terms of their shirts and ties and combos.
Vanessa Bennett: And, you know, they're now starting to bring in more. It's not just the suit kind of situation. They've got more ability now to, you know, have a bit more of that business casual kind of look. And a lot of them are really. Kind of embracing that a little bit as well, which is actually nice to watch. And you wouldn't have seen that, you know, 20 years ago in the corporate space.
Vanessa Bennett: So I think the fact that we've kind of got a bit of business casual coming [00:16:00] in is actually probably allowing people to kind of really tap into that. So, yeah. So I think the female, the females and males doesn't really matter. I think, you know, it becomes this self fulfilling prophecy. And so I think that also comes down to.
Vanessa Bennett: It's almost like how you show up and what you're wearing and things like that can actually influence like how you think about yourself and your confidence, obviously. And then that becomes, like it's called neuroplasticity basically, but it's, it's either creation of neural pathways and the brain's ability to change itself and all that kind of thing.
Vanessa Bennett: So I think it's like, if, you know, if we don't make an effort to show up, both physically and mentally, then that actually impacts the brain and the way that you think, and it impacts your confidence. And so I think it is actually important. To make sure that you're doing everything that you can physically and mentally to feel like you are showing up and having that confidence.
Vanessa Bennett: Cause I mean, this happens to males as well. Like I kind of, I don't know why people even bother talking about imposter [00:17:00] syndrome anymore. Like literally, unless you're a narcissist, you basically have it. Let's not call it a thing. Let's not get caught up with it. Let's create more clarity in what we're achieving in terms of our leadership outcomes.
Vanessa Bennett: And then let's help people stop second guessing themselves and get there as quickly as we can. Before the research, we didn't have a lot of research saying this is the outcomes that we should be getting from our teams, but now we do. And that's just, meant that leaders can spend less time second guessing themselves as well.
Vanessa Bennett: And so let's just show up. Let's not give any mental energy to, am I good enough? Am I this? Am I that? Like, let's just show up and get it done.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Yeah. That's really interesting about the imposter syndrome and the consideration that everyone's really got it because females really struggle on that end, but you hear it probably more from that side.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: So given that you work with a number of males, And also then probably hearing some of that maybe play out in that space, it starts to break down some of the stereotypes that you potentially hear across the board as [00:18:00] well.
Vanessa Bennett: Absolutely. Yeah. So I think let's not, I'm all about helping people to build neural pathways and thought processes that are serving them and to pay less attention to.
Vanessa Bennett: Those thought processes and neural pathways that aren't serving them. So your brain's like a muscle and it's wired for defense. So of course it's wired for imposter syndrome, right? So naturally we need to make sure that we understand that. And then we know how to think more helpfully in ways that are going to help us to achieve our goals.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: So you are also a fitness, a qualified fitness instructor as well. So let's just add that to the list. I love the multidimensional aspect of you. One of the key elements I think that goes really hand in hand with high performance is also some level of. There's exercise, fitness, all of that [00:19:00] component.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: What's your kind of view on that in terms of how much of that really can also make a difference in that space?
Vanessa Bennett: Look, it's massive. When you look at the impact of even just movement, I don't even want to call it exercise. Just the impact of movement on the brain. It's phenomenal. Just even like, so I teach group fitness classes and even just that coordination, you know, that's helping us to kind of think differently and be more creative.
Vanessa Bennett: And even for me as an instructor, like I have to learn the choreography, you know, that kind of. memory sort of work. Like I like to think it's doing a great job of creating the process of neurogenesis, which is the production of new neurons. But when you look at the impact of movement on the brain in terms of the neurotransmitters that it releases, that's very beneficial for the process of neurogenesis and also combating excess cortisol.
Vanessa Bennett: In the body as well, which is your stress hormone, which is fine in small doses, but most people don't [00:20:00] have it in small doses. They have it in a lot bigger doses than what we were ever really designed to have. And that's just, you know, really simple things, but in terms of being able to promote memory, being able to promote creativity.
Vanessa Bennett: Productivity, helping you sleep better. And of course we know how great sleep is for our brain and our bodies as well. But it's like, you know, stress is affecting literally every cell in our bodies. And there is stress, which is okay and productive. But once you go into that next phase of stress where it is just chronic and it's there too much, then, you know, those processes are causing inflammation, which is affecting mood, mental health, behaviour.
Vanessa Bennett: You know, you go back to the office after you've done a workout and you're far more delightful to be around. Well, that can only be good for culture. People use that a bit. How do you teach on top of working? And I'm like, I don't know how you don't. It's very therapeutic yelling at people, you know, after a day or during a day in the middle of the day.
Vanessa Bennett: So yeah, I just think, you know, for [00:21:00] me, the actual physical exercise is very useful, but even just the process of having to teach learning the choreography. And I switch off completely because when I'm teaching a class, I'm I'm doing a move. I'm queuing the next move and I'm thinking about the next move after that.
Vanessa Bennett: So it's like, I'm not thinking about, Oh, what am I having for dinner? Or, you know, what did that person mean when they said that? Like, it's just not, doesn't even enter my, you know, what's going on in my brain situation. So it just means that so many people focus on, I've got to switch off. And it's like, no, you actually just need to switch to something else.
Vanessa Bennett: So for me, that's a great way to switch fully and completely because I can't be anything but present. If I'm not present, then a whole bucket load of people run into each other because I haven't queued them properly. So, you know, I think that's a big part of it. So there's so many just amazing Benefits to productivity, mindset, mood, everything.
Vanessa Bennett: Like if I don't sweat like properly every day, [00:22:00] like I can feel it in my brain. I don't, couldn't care, you know, the physical impacts it's having, but I know it's having massive impacts just from a brain perspective. I mean, like, good for stopping me getting cancers and things like that. That's also good.
Vanessa Bennett: You know, I think there's just so many benefits that help us to just think more clearly and have a better culture and help us with emotional regulation. Emotional regulation in the workplace as a leader is your superpower. So being able to have that is absolutely essential. And exercise just plays a massive role in doing that.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: And I think, you know, I love what you've said there about it's actually being able to not just switch off, but actually redirect your brain into something completely different, what that can do. So yeah, I really love that. So I've got three quick questions for you. One being, What would be your go to style or [00:23:00] signature piece that feels truly represents your personal brand and why is it an essential part of your wardrobe?
Sonya Choi La Rosa: I think
Vanessa Bennett: it probably would have to be any of my Karen G dresses. She may, and they're all sort of customised to me because I'm quite little. And so therefore I actually have trouble getting a lot of stuff, um, off the rack. I'm little, but I'm tall. So I'm kind of like this, just really weird shape. And so she does a lot of like made to measure stuff and the fabric's beautiful.
Vanessa Bennett: She even made my wedding dress and I just feel like the fabric is just made to, you know, come onto me basically. And it's, they're all very streamlined kind of styles, you know, I don't get anything with the frills or anything like that. It's all pretty streamlined, but they're comfortable for me if I'm like going from a keynote presentation.
Vanessa Bennett: And then straight onto a plane. I still want to be comfortable. And so many times you wear things and it's like, Oh, it looked great on the stage, but not that comfortable. Whereas with those kinds of clothes, it's just very, it's streamlined. It feels [00:24:00] good. I feel professional, but not over the top. So yeah, it's good.
Vanessa Bennett: I
Sonya Choi La Rosa: love a little bit of KG. Okay. Then for our listeners looking for inspiration, what book are you either currently reading or maybe listening to that has had a significant impact on your personal brand and or leadership journey?
Vanessa Bennett: I think a book that probably everyone does need to read and I loved it because it was so direct.
Vanessa Bennett: It's called The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday. And it's basically looking at, you know, in any situation, there'll be. 90 percent of people that will see something as an obstacle and 10 percent of people will be able to see that as an opportunity. And it's also very much about personal accountability.
Vanessa Bennett: And I think, you know, the world doesn't owe you anything. The whole idea is we need to make sure that, you know, we are taking opportunities. And we, you know, this whole, I think the level of [00:25:00] accountability of everyone in the world at the moment is just declining. And quite frankly, it wasn't great to start with.
Vanessa Bennett: So, you know, we're in a bit of a bad way, but, you know, it's like, oh, well, you know, I feel triggered by this and it's everyone else's fault. It's like, I don't know. Really? Really. So, I really love that book because it basically, it's like, it's all about your life is your problem and your opportunity and you know, only you can be in control of that.
Vanessa Bennett: So, I think that should basically be standard issue, I think, for anyone being born today.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Well, I think that being able to just take, exactly as you said, take your life. And make it to what you want to be rather than potentially just sitting back and wanting someone else to maybe hand it to you or someone to tell you it's go explore, go find out, go determine what that next step is, what that's going to look like for you.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: My final question is, and I think you've answered some of this, but let's see if you've got something different. We all have those days where we need an [00:26:00] extra boost. What's your quick mindset ritual that helps you feel empowered and ready to tackle anything?
Vanessa Bennett: Yeah, I think just being aware of your mindset.
Vanessa Bennett: So I do mindset training pretty much every day. So I probably do it even more so when I go to sleep. So as I'm falling asleep in bed, because if that's a last thing that your brain thinks about, that's what it processes overnight. So if you're feeding it with stuff that you're really stressed about and woe is me and oh, I didn't do that very well and I didn't do that very well and I could have done that better, you know, that's kind of what your brain's going to be processing over the night.
Vanessa Bennett: And that's not really helpful because that's how you wake up in the morning. So I think what your mindset is before you go to bed actually really has a massive impact on how you wake up. The next day. And, you know, of course there's going to be certain days where it's like, Oh man, I really need to, you know, listen to what I tell everyone else today and whatnot.
Vanessa Bennett: So, you know, no, one's perfect at this by any stretch of the imagination. But one of the things that I like to coach on in our workshops is this concept we call hashtag crushing life, which is your brain. [00:27:00] Can't tell the difference between something, which is like really amazing. Like I just want a hundred million dollars in the lottery or something that you make.
Vanessa Bennett: believe like it's really amazing. Like I literally just made the bus and I don't have to wait five minutes for the next one, but you get excited by that. So the more that you can get excited by the dumb stuff, your brain responds in the same way as if it was the hundred million dollar lottery. So if you can use every opportunity of just really dumb stuff to create a really positive emotion, so this neuroplasticity, it's like, we just need to continue to do more of that.
Vanessa Bennett: And so we need to be able to choose our thoughts very carefully. So I think probably what, and this is kind of fair, everybody, we often have these days where it's like, all of a sudden it's like, Oh my gosh, I'm actually thinking a bit negatively. Like I'm a bit, You know, you might have a meaning that didn't go as well or something like that or whatever.
Vanessa Bennett: And it's kind of like, Oh my gosh, what was me? And then it's like, no, I'm just very quick at recognizing when I think that [00:28:00] and go, hang on, this is not helpful. All right. If this is putting extra muscle on the unhelpful wiring in my brain, why would I do that? So I need to consciously Think about something that's going to create more muscle in the helpful wiring and the helpful neural pathways in my brain.
Vanessa Bennett: So I think just having a really solid understanding of. You know, neuroplasticity compared to the average person, I can kind of see that quickly. I can see when I'm doing that and I can recognize when that's not helpful and I can intercept quite quickly. And I think that's a really important part because your brain can't have a negative emotion at the same time as it has a positive one.
Vanessa Bennett: So even if you have a positive emotion for like 10 seconds, that's still 10 seconds that you're building better wiring rather than another 10 seconds that you're adding to less helpful wiring. Sorry.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Absolutely fascinating. And so many more than one tip in, in that segment completely. So there's a few things I'll be taking away from that one.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: It's been [00:29:00] absolute pleasure having you on the style and strategy podcast. If someone wants to find you or potentially work with you, what's the best way for them to get in touch? Oh, absolutely.
Vanessa Bennett: I'm very easy to stalk on LinkedIn. That's my main platform. So Vanessa Bennett and Next Evolution Performance.
Vanessa Bennett: So our website's also a great source of information on this kind of thing. So www.nextevolutionperformance.com. And again, we're very easy to find there. So you can book performance call and ask me anything and I can point you in the right direction.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: Brilliant. Thank you so much ness. I will have all those details in the show notes for the podcast.
Sonya Choi La Rosa: It's been a pleasure chatting with you and I've got a lot of tips to take away. Take care. Thank you so much for being part of this inspiring episode. If you found value in today's discussion, please don't keep it a secret. Share it with a friend on social media, tag me at your style collector. And [00:30:00] leave a review.
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